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 Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: Gee entering the draft. |
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He's not getting an agent and appears to want to test his stock. Good move.
Gee throws his hat in
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| He would be a prototypical over-seas player.
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I think he knows that he won't be drafted. This is a no lose situation for him (and Steele and Hendrix for that matter). They get an evaluation from NBA people concerning whether they will be drafted this time, and what aspects of their game they need to work on in order to be NBA ready.
JeMareo Davidson did this a few years back, then returned for his junior and senior seasons.
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I think the thing that many people have overlooked is that these guys will get the best advice on what route they should go. In other words, the NBA scouts will let them know if they are draftable or not. They will be told the things they need to work on in order to be a great NBA prospect. This will determine whether they will return to campus to work on these things or not. I think Hendrix is the only one that could be ready, but he may have to start in the NBDL to develop better low-post moves. If Steele picks up where he left off 2 years ago, he could be drafted or signed later. Gee needs more consistency and overseas play would be his only option, if the NBDL doesn't accept him.
In saying all that, I think that 2 of the 3 will return!
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I think that Gee returning is a certainty. Steele, if he is 100% physiically would go in the top half of the first round, IMO, but most NBA teams are going to take a wait and see attitude about him, wanting to be sure that the knees will hold up. I see him as a late second round or undrafted if he stays in. A couple of the mock drafts have Hendrix going late in the first round, but most have him in the middle part of the second round now. Of course, their performance in the NBA camp could change tings, but the way I read the tea leaves all three will be back.
Hendrix and Steele are both from pretty stable family situations, and thus aren't under the kind of pressure that Kennedy Winston was, for example, to leave so that he could meet the financial needs of the family.
I am not as familiar with Gee's background, but as I've said, I really don't expect him to be drafted this year.
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When will this workout take place? I am curious to know what we will have returning. I still think we have enough talent to make some noise, but it all comes down to coaching. Is CMG going to get some help with the defense?
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| aMAZEnFan wrote: | | When will this workout take place? I am curious to know what we will have returning. I still think we have enough talent to make some noise, but it all comes down to coaching. Is CMG going to get some help with the defense? |
I don't have the dates for the NBA camp, but it is some time in the latter part of this month. The guys who put their names up for consideration have until June 16th (ten days before the draft) to ask that their names removed. If they do so (as long as they don't sign with an agent) they can return. As you see it is a waiting game. We may know before June 16th, and will certainly know by then, who will be coming back.
As far as the coaching staff, it looks like it will be unchanged. If all these players come back, we will have the best combination of depth, talent and experience that I have seen in all the years I have followed Alabama basketball.
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: a big IF!!! |
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| psychojoe wrote: | | aMAZEnFan wrote: | | When will this workout take place? I am curious to know what we will have returning. I still think we have enough talent to make some noise, but it all comes down to coaching. Is CMG going to get some help with the defense? |
I don't have the dates for the NBA camp, but it is some time in the latter part of this month. The guys who put their names up for consideration have until June 16th (ten days before the draft) to ask that their names removed. If they do so (as long as they don't sign with an agent) they can return. As you see it is a waiting game. We may know before June 16th, and will certainly know by then, who will be coming back.
As far as the coaching staff, it looks like it will be unchanged. If all these players come back, we will have the best combination of depth, talent and experience that I have seen in all the years I have followed Alabama basketball. |
Thanks for the info on the NBA camp.
The staff unchanged huh? This reminds me of another Alabama coach who refused to make changes, so he was changed!!!
I wouldn't anoint these guys over the great teams that Wimp had back in the day, but if it is indeed the best that YOU have personally seen, I understand.
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I've been watching Bama play since before C M Newton. I'm not saying that they will be better than C. M.'s best teams (the 1976 team might well have won the NC) or Wimp's best teams (the 1987 team in CMG's last year) but I am saying that all the pieces will be in place. I'd project this as the starting five (at least to start the year):
Steele (4 star recruit, 3 letters), Hillman (4 star recruit, 1 letter), Gee (4 star recruit, 3 letters), Jemison (3 star recruit, 2 letters), Hendrix, (5 star recruit, 3 letters). Coming off the bench we'll have Hollinger (3 star recruit, 3 letters), Torrance (3 star recruit, 2 letters), Coleman (3 star recruit, 2 letters), Knox (4 star recruit, 1 letter) which is the most experience we've brought back in quite some time. Then we are bringing in Green (5 star power forward), Steele (4 star 2 guard), Mitchell, (4 star small forward), and Juco PG Brock (3 star). All the pieces are in place, especially if RS returns. I have not been a huge CMG critic, but the upcoming season is one where he'll be justifiably expected to have a very good season, and if he/we do not, I'll likely join the chorus.
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| psychojoe wrote: | I've been watching Bama play since before C M Newton. I'm not saying that they will be better than C. M.'s best teams (the 1976 team might well have won the NC) or Wimp's best teams (the 1987 team in CMG's last year) but I am saying that all the pieces will be in place. I'd project this as the starting five (at least to start the year):
Steele (4 star recruit, 3 letters), Hillman (4 star recruit, 1 letter), Gee (4 star recruit, 3 letters), Jemison (3 star recruit, 2 letters), Hendrix, (5 star recruit, 3 letters). Coming off the bench we'll have Hollinger (3 star recruit, 3 letters), Torrance (3 star recruit, 2 letters), Coleman (3 star recruit, 2 letters), Knox (4 star recruit, 1 letter) which is the most experience we've brought back in quite some time. Then we are bringing in Green (5 star power forward), Steele (4 star 2 guard), Mitchell, (4 star small forward), and Juco PG Brock (3 star). All the pieces are in place, especially if RS returns. I have not been a huge CMG critic, but the upcoming season is one where he'll be justifiably expected to have a very good season, and if he/we do not, I'll likely join the chorus. |
LOL, now that I looked at your age, how dare a young buck like me insinuate anything of the sort!
That is impressive. IF they all return, that would make me very happy. But, I have a feeling that these guys are doing a little more than testing the waters. With all the other guys transferring out and all, it seems there is a bit of discord amongst the team. That spells disaster and CMG's time appears to be running out. Excuses will not be available and his inevitable demise could be apparent. I hope not for his sake, but he has to make some changes to his staff!
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He must have an affinity for Greece.
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Good points from both of you guys Joe and aMAZEing. I tend to lean on the side of MAZE though in this and this is why;
(1) Like MAZE said. The staff returning intact reminds me eerily of Mike Shula's situation. Gottfried and his staff might be our BIGGEST problem with the program right now. Not really who is leaving and who is staying.
(2) (this kinda ties in with #1) We might have better rankings across the board when it comes to players but it doesn't matter when the staff can't develope the talent on hand. With Wimp and C.M. you had coaches that could develope the talent. I still personally think that, while maybe not as hyped on the recruiting front, the Wimp teams that featured Gottfried, Conner, Farmer, McKey, Ansley and some of those guys was better than most if not all of Gottfried's teams. The reason being is that they were schooled and taught, and played together as a team. Those teams seem to have had a clearer vision of the goal.
That's just MHO. Of course, I'm not implying that this year's team is not talented and won't be good. That's not the case. I just don't know realistically how much we can expect from them given that the situation at the top is still the same.
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Not necessarily disagreeing, but that Wimp team that you mentioned was not short on talent. McKey had a long NBA career, Farmer was there for several season, and Ansley hung around at that level for several years. Terry Conor was one of our better PGs and even CMG's most fervid detractors would concede that he was pretty good on defense and a deadly outside shooter. It really only went six players deep, though. J J Jackson came off the bench and provided some good spark, but then there was quite a drop off. Wimp's teams were deep enough a couple of times to use eight players, but more typically he used seven. Similarly, C M Newton's teams usually put a very talented, well coached team on the floor, but I can't think of any of his Bama teams that could safely go more than seven deep against good competition. They lost some hard fought games against Kentucky and Tennessee on the depth issue.
My whole point is that this will be a telling season for CMG. If all the juniors come back he will have the deepest, most talented roster he has ever had. There will be experience, talent and depth at all five positions. (This would be true even if Hendrix and Gee don't come back. If RS bails, we will have the same PG issue we had this season just past.) This could be a very good team, and certainly the time for excuses will be gone. It is put up time.
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For what its worth, a poster on TI has stated that hendrix has been invited to the NBA pre draft camp. No word about Steele or Gee as yet.
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